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it’s not really a heated topic, it keeps being brought up, the vast majority of people agree, and then there are one or two people who feel the need to lớn tell the rest of us that the developers shouldn’t add this OPTION that we are all asking for.

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Then everyone responds khổng lồ that person because their argument is so easily refuted that no one can resist responding.The usual suspects are:“you will never be satisfied!” - no, we will be satisfied when it is fixed.The game can’t handle it! - yes it can, it’s 2022 our computers can handle more zoom, & hacks prove sầu it.Only a minority want it! It’s a waste of time - demonstrably false, và a completely subjective opinion.


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breeminator February 5, 2022, 6:23am #70
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SmartSquire9636:

You think fixing it will result in people asking khổng lồ make it restrictive again?

I actually asked that question on the 3 DE redeal.vn. Nobody toàn thân demanded that it be made more restrictive.


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Does anyone have sầu any complaints about the AoE 3 DE zoom range? III - Discussion
AoE 3 DE has a really great zoom range nowadays. In the AoE 4 redeal.vn section, there is a lot of resistance to AoE 4 being changed to provide an increased zoom range, so I just wondered, are there people campaigning for AoE 3 DE’s zoom range to be more limited? Are there people who really hate that you can zoom in and out so much?
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Dragora9295 February 5, 2022, 7:48pm #72

No, the game doesn’t need a change of the zoom màn chơi.

The units are barely recognizable at the current zoom màn chơi, & they will become one big mess if zoomed out more.

Supporting a new zoom cấp độ would require serious changes to lớn the visual and UX side of the game, which requires a lot of time và resource investment & doesn’t bring comparable improvements to the gameplay.

The entire game is designed around even more zoomed in màn chơi than we currently have sầu right now.

It is fine as it is.


Coranhon1 February 5, 2022, 8:49pm #73

People that play Aoe2 DE would be in shock if they had to play the HD version và its close zoom

In Aoe4 what bothers me more is the silhouette of the units and pathfinding. In the previous games you could easily see details on units while moving them every angle possible. Aoe4 units is lượt thích dolls with colors


Pomknight February 5, 2022, 9:43pm #74

I actually decided to go back to the OG AoE1 yesterday và play it without any patches or tweaks using the original 800 x 600 and it was a struggle at first, but thanks khổng lồ how horrible the pathfinding was và how few units you have sầu to lớn khuyến mãi with the pop limit at 50, it worked alright.

Going from that khổng lồ Rise of Rome in HD and patched is a shoông xã, & from that to AoE4 rattles the mind. It is a lot less to lớn bởi with the zoom cấp độ than with visibility và weird responses from units.


RatcicleFan February 5, 2022, 9:44pm #75

I want at least to be able to lớn zoom out enough to select all of my army without accidentally moving the screen.


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SugaryGraph1416 February 5, 2022, 9:53pm #76
Coranhon1:

People that play Aoe2 DE would be in shoông chồng if they had lớn play the HD version and its cthua trận zoom

imagine we used lớn play in 10801024 resolution, before HDImagine, they keep original resolution 11yes, let’s making excuses, lượt thích we stopped in 2001 forever, with 10801024 res & network latency in 1s


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ArrivedLeader22 February 5, 2022, 10:23pm #78

Every other 3D rts you can name since 2000s could keep at least acceptable visuals when zoomed out. Are you implying that’s beyond the capability of a 2020s dev team?

Ironically those who support the current state of the game like khổng lồ accuse the critics for “hating” & “insulting” the devs, but they also like khổng lồ keep implying the devs just cannot vày something that have sầu been done without any problem for more than 10 years (which is probably the biggest insult ever).

BTW you should first have a debate with the “if people can zoom out they will always use maximum zoom” guy because if the graphics is so horrible, people will not always use the maximum zoom.


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GorbMort February 5, 2022, 10:46pm #80
ArrivedLeader22:

Ironically those who tư vấn the current state of the game lượt thích to accuse the critics for “hating” & “insulting” the devs, but they also lượt thích khổng lồ keep implying the devs just cannot bởi something that have sầu been done without any problem for more than 10 years (which is probably the biggest insult ever).

Who said they can’t vày it?

I mean, sure, there could be technical arguments against it, but all I’m seeing is a group of people who want more, và a group of people who are fine with it as it is. Neither are wrong.

Personally, I don’t mind either way (even though I think the zoom is intentional regardless of how previous Age games did it), but I’d prefer them to lớn focus on the roadmap as-is. Particularly modding tools. I don’t want the tools pushed back at all, for anything, if at all possible.

It’d be nice if this could be debated without people lobbing accusations at each other, but I guess that’s just how it is.


AndyPXIII February 5, 2022, 10:47pm #81

If the game cannot provide us with recognizable units và buildings simultaneously lớn providing us with necessary zoom levels lớn comfortably navigate and see, then the game is a failure of thiết kế heretofore never before suffered by this franchise.

It is not the job of the players khổng lồ choose between two evils.


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ArrivedLeader22 February 5, 2022, 10:52pm #82
GorbMort:

Who said they can’t vày it?

He said it. The units are already not recognizable at the current zoom & will be a total mess if zoomed out, & the context is it has been done with no problem for trăng tròn years in other games.Ask hyên ổn.


Dragora9295:

The units are barely recognizable at the current zoom màn chơi, và they will become one big mess if zoomed out more.

BTW the argument here has been around either “they cannot make the game run properly with more zoom” or “the game is designed with the current zoom cấp độ and we all know you cannot enjoy the game with different zoom so it’s good for you”.

So if you are fine with either I vày not know what is the purpose of your essay.

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AndyPXIII February 5, 2022, 10:54pm #83

I agree that it is remedially frustrating to continuously ask for features that have existed in Age of Empires for 25 years và be told our expectations are radical.


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RatcicleFan February 5, 2022, 11:11pm #84

AoE3 has a much higher zoom out (and zoom in) max than AoE4 & it was released in 2005.


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GorbMort February 5, 2022, 11:55pm #85
ArrivedLeader22:

He said it. The units are already not recognizable at the current zoom và will be a total mess if zoomed out, and the context is it has been done with no problem for 20 years in other games.Ask him.

I mean, that’s their opinion on how readable the units might be. It’s not “the developers can’t bởi vì this”. It’s why they shouldn’t, in their opinion. Not the same thing at all.

But I get it. It’s easier to make enemies of different opinions than try to understand them. I’m not being snide - it genuinely is. But that’s not a good discussion.


AndyPXIII:

I agree that it is remedially frustrating khổng lồ continuously ask for features that have existed in Age of Empires for 25 years và be told our expectations are radical.

Radical? Not at all.

Though it is surprising that there doesn’t seem khổng lồ be any consideration that the limits are intentional. Endless posts on how “no RTS games limit you this much” when every RTS game Relic have sầu made as far bachồng as Impossible Creatures is comparable.

I understvà that previous Age games come with different expectations. But is that it? It should be done because it was done before? Is that good enough to lớn void any possible reason why it exists as it does right now?

That’s what I don’t see much of. Genuine, good faith discussion on why it might be as it is. Of course, we’re all guessing given that only Relic can give us the answer. But at least discussing possible reasons is fun! We all mostly know where each of us stvà, no? That bit’s been done lớn death. I’m just trying lớn push the needle a bit.


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Coranhon1 February 5, 2022, 11:58pm #86

Things lượt thích “you can’t play the game lượt thích this”

Looking they made a game most khổng lồ please themselves than the playerbase. Spending too much working in a title that they got used và stagnated since then…

Taking the any unit from Aoe2 and even trăng tròn years ago you could see details on the baông xã of a longbowman or mangudẻo. And now with zoom its still good (if not better with all QoL included).

You take a spearman from Aoe2 or any unit from Aoe 1 or 3 with a generic name và the unit has its charm. We take any unit on this game with generic name và the details enhance the bad impressions on this, no potential even for meme (can we imagine someone taking a unit from here và making a meme channel with such unit and then getting bigger with analysis).


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Coranhon1 February 5, 2022, 11:59pm #87

Zoom is an issue but not one of the most problematic


Dragora9295 February 6, 2022, 12:00am #88

the game is a failure of design heretofore never before suffered by this franchise

Previous Age of Empires games are 2D games with sprite graphics.Which is much more readable than almost any 3D game could be.The only 3 chiều RTS game that ever came cthua kém lớn the readability levels of 2D games is StarCraft 2, & it had 10 years of continuous updates to lớn reach the state it is in right now.And it has much more cthua kém zoom than AoE 4.

The only AoE game that has 3D graphics is AoE 3, và it has the same or even closer zoom màn chơi compared to lớn AoE 4.

It’s always a compromise between readability, ability khổng lồ control your instruments and the quality of the game visuals on the one side, và the zoom cấp độ on the other.

There is no easy solution to this problem, even with infinite time & resources.Which we don’t have.


ArrivedLeader22 February 6, 2022, 12:01am #89
GorbMort:

I mean, that’s their opinion on how readable the units might be. It’s not “the developers can’t do this”. It’s why they shouldn’t, in their opinion. Not the same thing at all.

If someone thinks the are already not recognizable, and it would look worse if zoomed out, it naturally implies he thinks the devs have sầu already done a poor job và cannot improve sầu it.Or vì chưng you think it’s the other way round? “The units are not recognizable. If you zoom out more they are even more recognizable. But I also believe sầu they can make it good looking with more zoom.”Would anyone hold such an opinion? Maybe you would.

BTW you ask me who said it. I pointed out who said it for you. Now you’re accusing me for making enemies?


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ArrivedLeader22 February 6, 2022, 12:04am #90
Dragora9295:

The only AoE game that has 3D graphics is AoE 3, & it has the same or even closer zoom cấp độ compared to lớn AoE 4.

Vanilla aoe3, which is one of the previous aoe games, was released in 2005 và there is actually an option to allow much more zoom. Seems giải pháp công nghệ and kiến thiết has not improved since then.Age of mythology is also a 3D RTS, within this franchise, and has more zoom.Same for AOE online.Starcraft 2 was released in 2010, và obviously aoe4 is also made with technologies 12 years ago & skipped the entire 12 years of technical advances.

And aoe3 DE implemented an even more further zoom và nobody has any problems with it.


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SmartSquire9636 February 6, 2022, 12:42am #91
GorbMort:

It should be done because it was done before? Is that good enough to lớn void any possible reason why it exists as it does right now?

Yes. Mainly because it’s unplayable as it is. If they make it better, would it be unplayable for others? No.So…Why defend the zoom limit?.. Who wants, can always zoom in!


AndyPXIII:

I agree that it is remedially frustrating lớn continuously ask for features that have sầu existed in Age of Empires for 25 years and be told our expectations are radical.

This.


Coranhon1:

Things lượt thích “you can’t play the game like this”


Coranhon1:

Zoom is an issue but not one of the most problematic

It is what it is. Unplayable to lớn some, lượt thích me & quite a few people I know of.And it’s not a thing, it’s THE thing.

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Dragora9295:

It’s always a compromise between readability, ability lớn control your instruments & the unique of the game visuals on the one side, & the zoom cấp độ on the other.

And… why no let zoom out more so each player can decide the “readable zoom” for himself…?


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